Thursday, March 18, 2010

Crazy Confusion


Ok, I think it's time to clear up a few rumors that have been circulating!! Some people have been calling chronic-dev/greenposi0n fake and about how this is just a way to take everyone's money, or that we're just going to burn an exploit for 3.1.3. The facts are, we've always practiced safe disclose of the bugs we've found.


The 24kpwn vuln we found was already held onto for a few months before it leaked. We were planning to hold off until the 3gs was released, but we were forced to release early because someone had gotten a hold of it and was selling it online.


As for as the latest usb exploit, it's practically the same story. We found the exploit months prior and were waiting for the release of the ipod touch 3g. Sadly, progress on that was horribly slow because only one member of the team actually had access to a device, and he was very busy dealing with real world stuff at the time. This is the reason I started the first donation fund. When I received the device I was also the first to dump the keys from the device less then a week later, which (I'm assuming) is what helped geohot be able to run his first bits of code to develop blackra1n and then he released it shortly after. This pretty much made greenpois0n obsolete at that time.


Now it's the same story again. I will say we do have at least one new exploit that we've been sitting on for the past few months waiting specifically for the ipad, (NOT 3.1.3) but I'm not going to say anything more about it, other then, yes it's untethered.


As far as greenpois0n is concerned, it's been a long grueling 7 months since we first announced we were developing it. Unfortunately, not all of our members at chronic-dev are seasoned developers, and the few that are can only help sporadically in-between school and work. Since I probably had the most programming experience and free time, I took charge of the project and have sunk literally hundred and hundred of hours into development. From the first version written in 100% ARM assembly (the most fun I ever have had while not having any fun at all), down to the latest version, a beautiful iboot hacker toolkit and payload framework, work on greenpois0n has never stopped (although there were many months where I was the only person contributing).


I guess what I'm trying to say is, with all my time, sweat, blood, and tears (and adderall) that i've invested into this product, it really irks me when I see people calling it fake. And far as the donation thing is concerned, this something I really really hate doing. If I had a job and the money I would of never ever considered asking for any donations, and I was still reluctant to. The only reason I finally decided to post the chipin is because many people (including some of the devs who make all your beloved jailbreak apps) encouraged me to start this fund. They believed in me and were the first to donate. I'm not trying to force anyone to donate, take advantage of anyone, or holding anything for ransom. I'm just looking for some help to allow me to continue my research fulltime (which ultimately helps all of you in the end). I thank all the people who have already donated. But if you're still a skeptic, then that's fine too. (because you're probably the same ones that will come crying when you accidently upgrade your ipad, and then I get to laugh at you)


here's the link if anyone missed it
http://greenpois0n.chipin.com/ipad

66 comments:

  1. @p0sixninja:

    I've been a chronic-dev follower for quite a long time, and I'm also 100% certain you're sitting on an untethered exploit and not releasing it. One of my biggest fears in the past was that you'd release it and burn it, but luckily that didn't happen.

    Only 1 thing I want to ask, though, you said you wanted to wait for the iPad to release that exploit. I was just wondering, since the iPad comes in April, and the new iPhone in June, wouldn't it make alot more sense to wait for the new iPhone then make untethered for EVERYTHING?

    Exploits are running thin nowadays, and Apple are getting closer to the PS3's security model with each passing day and with easy new firmware (I mean, seriously, how many more bugs can we find in iBoot before it runs dry like the bootrom?)

    Thanks for all your work,
    -PurpleMan

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  2. yea, this is something i've thought long and hard about, we have wifi ipad1,1 coming in apr, ipad3g coming in may, and iphone3,1 coming in june. but, we usually discuss with devteam and/or geohot before we release stuff, so don't worry too much. we'll make the best possible (and informed decision)

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  3. It does help your reputation a little when you have been credited with the exploit used in at least one version of redsn0w (http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/94451688/beta-oclock).

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  5. Joshua Hill, it would be very smart to wait for the next iphone to come out to release this exploit. But if some other person finds it and releases it like before, then it will become a big problem because it would be patched before the iphone release.

    And since it is untethered..that makes it so much more awsome. I can not wait for the release of this.

    Thanks for all your hard work. Many people will appreciate it.

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  6. Alot of those spreading negative rumors about chronic dont know the work someone puts into research Josh.. I hope the small donation helps out! Hopefully we will see greenpois0n this time around.

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  7. @p0sixninja:

    You've always done what's good for the community, in spite of all you the crap you had to endure from the average joe-sixpack who only wants to hit "next-->next" and jailbreak his iDevice. That is extremely admirable, and I just wanted you to know that some people DO understand.

    I keep having arguments with people who seem to think that no matter what happens we'll always find a new exploit, so shouldn't delay anything. People don't realize that it's not guaranteed at all.

    Oh well, whatcha gonna do? :)

    Hope this helps,
    -PurpleMan

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  8. Keep it up, at your own pace that is!!

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  9. so this will *not* JB 3.1.3 on an ipt 3g?

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  10. Hey, thanks for the update.

    I always thought you had one but wasn't releasing it yet...but I knew you weren't gunna scam us.

    Thanks for all the work on this!

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  11. Do what musclenerd said On Twitter and we will doneate whit no questions asked, I will donate $150. As soon as I see the video and think the rest of the people will be glad to donate as much as they can if you proof you are legit.

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  12. Does that mean if I donated $226.25 then we would get your jailbreak now, or in april? Btw, there is 222.35$$ right now...

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  13. first of all, thanks so much for doing this, and. just out of curiosity, will this jailbreak work for an ipod touch 32gb 3rd gen 3.1.3? ive already had it jailbroken on 3.1.2 but extremely stupidly updated it.

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  14. An excellent job done by chronic dev, once again. Something I hate to see is that people going around saying "Chronic-dev asks for donations once again...fail" It's unnecessary and unneeded. I say you ignore that and keep working on greenpois0n, at your own pace/when you feel like it. Keep up the good work!

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  15. @p0sixninja
    Don't bother with what your critics say. You can shut their mouths up when the iPad comes and you have your exploit for it. I'm sure you have just as many backers as you have critics. Expecially the folks who know your work on the older iPhones and ipts.

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  16. please just give us a date because the waiting is getting long and i'm starting to give up i need to unlock my iphone

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  17. Hi

    I was just wondering why you wouldn't release a video? As a fairly new jailbreaker, I have followed your activity for only a small time including your original GP blog and it’s obvious you have a lot more credibility than all those attention seeking "teams" that seem to have popped up recently, but to my eyes a short video would be easy enough to make and would cut through all the doubters. Or am I missing something?

    I don't want you to think me ignorant, but the honest perception I have (whether right or wrong) is that you have definitely discovered vulnerabilities and created tools in the past, but that you asked for money last year without actually producing anything other than a strong claim that you were the one that discovered the vulnerability that allowed Geohot to release. Now I am never going to be in the know enough to be sure that this is true, but importantly, nor will most sensible people who would consider giving you a donation.

    I am one who is considering a donation. I am not going to make crazy promises of hundreds of dollars, but if you genuinely have something that you are quite sensibly trying to port to an iPad then, yeah, I want to help in some way and yeah, I agree you need one to actually do the work. More than that I feel you deserve some financial reward for your work. I honestly wish I could donate to the dev team, to be honest, just for my peace of mind!
    As I am happy to concede, there may well be a reason I haven’t thought of for not making video proof. If this is the case, please let me know. This may also persuade me to make a donation. Before people chime in and tell me off for being an ignorant doubter, I genuinely believe my attitude is the one that many sensible will have and some solicitous communication now will significantly improve the amount of donation you manage to secure. Please excuse the long post!!! (and thanks!)

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  18. Hey i added your chipin widget to my site cazisoft.com.. really hope that helps! :)

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  19. No offence and i hope you have a exploit! but please hold on to it until the new iPhone comes out or it will be a wasted venture, as im sure your aware!!! why give Apple the upper hand revealing this exploit, when iPad and iPad 3G are next up for release, so we will be back to square one with the iPhone 4G. Im sure MN and Geohot will advise with release dates and people just need to be patient! i will donate once MN has confirmed genuine video but i won't before as i find it strange that you seem to ask for donations when Apple release new products with nothing to show for it, well in recents times on later products! video = donations

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  20. I plan on buying the 4th gen touch. It hasn't been mentioned, so I just wanted to let people know there are us touch users that really need a jailbreak. Even tethered. I had my 2nd gen and did the manual jailbreak when it first came out (tethered) and I'm on the 3rd gen tethered as well.

    Even if I'm tethered, it's worth it to me. How hard is it to get a tethered j/b compared to what everyone wants normally (untethered)? And can I have reasonable confidence of atleast a tethered jb after august?

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  21. I understand hack-teams like to wait till new iPhone for the untethered jailbreak. But why dont release just a jailbreak for 3.1.3? It dont have to be untethered yet, just a jailbreak is enough. Yes, im a person with 3.1.3 that cant downgrade...

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  22. God just release a hash, it takes 2 seconds..

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  23. comen on please release for 3.1.3 or atleast 3.2 we need the jailbreak very quickly we cant wait any second

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  24. i would love for the 3.1.3 jailbreak to be released now but understand why it hasnt been, hopefully wont be too much longer tho. a time frame would be good???

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  25. To Posixninja and Chronic Dev Team:
    Just like to say an amazing job :) I support your decision for waiting for the ipad and/or the new iphone. 3.1.3 would be a waste for this. Just wondering if it will support the rest of the i-devices (for whatever the current firmware is by then) ? So, good luck and happy hacking.

    (Look at these annoying people, begging for a release. :( )

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  26. Hello!

    Great work on greenpois0n. I hope it's all turning out fine. I'm not going to complain about its release or anything ! :P

    I would just like to say however, that if you were to release it before the iPad, it would likely be patched for the ipad. And if you wait until june, someone else may discover the exploit, or it may leak.

    In my honest opinion, your best bet is to release it the second the iPad comes out. You will make thousands of people happy! Waiting till the next iphone is just going to be tedious.

    So why not give us 3gs users something to smile about :) after all, it looks like im in for a long wait for my jailbreak, and im chomping at the bit.

    Thank you for your hard work, :)

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  27. Good Work team i hope you will release jb for the iphone to i made a donate for 20$ gl with it :)

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  28. Hello.

    I as many others are very excited to hear about your work and future release. Thank you in advance. If you are in need of any beta testers please let me know, I have always be encountering the 1600 error message upon my restore. I suspect your software will be itunes independent but wanted to inquire.

    Thank you again!

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  29. This waiting is killing at least 50'000 or so people,

    just after > Apr!l 3rD < or just before

    0.0 i cant blink

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  31. That wasnt intended to be a moan, dont want any more "confusion" LOL
    hope its going well...

    ... r0lloutp0ison ...
    THE END IS NIGH
    or
    MAYBE, JUST THE BEGINNING

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  32. This is fake as long as you don't give some proof.Hey, I'm not trying to be a bitch about it; just following normal logic, which warns me against donating to people without being ascertained of a return, especially in a world in which the only motivation is self-interest.
    Thanks for whatever it is you offer and whenever you do so.

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  33. I have an ipt3g MC 8GB model. I successfully downgraded to 3.1.2 from 3.1.3 by using the ipod sw for the 2nd gen ipt. Will I be able to do an untethered JB on it?

    The down grade to 3.1.2 would not have worked with 3rd gen ipt sw. So I'm confused if I have a true 3g. Someone said the 8GB is a 2.5g, and as such is an orphan that may never see an untethered JB. Is that true?

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  34. ankit: you sound like a dick - "normal logic, which warns me against donating to people without being ascertained of a return"

    - this isn't shopping at the mall - if you want to donate, you do - you GIVE your money FREELY to an individual, who promises to use it for the purpose of development of software for your future use.. but calling someone/something fake is like saying "guilty unless proven innocent"

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  35. Hmm, Geohot has an untethered JB too now. It seems like a Bootroom hack in his Video because of a flash. Do you know if he's using the same exploit like you?

    Other Question: Will Greenposi0n also feature an unlock or is it just a Jailbreak?

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  36. Plz releas it avrewon brok the new iboot and the ipad is olrdy out and fw3.2 so releasssss it noww plzz take the glory of untethered jb asoming you have itplz

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  37. Thanks a lot Posix... I have utter confidence in you. I would have donated but... I have no money. I'm saving it up for my iPad!

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  38. I would like it if you released it soon but would be in better interest (of everybody) if it was released late.

    The reason I would like it sooner is the fact that I upgraded my iPod touch 2g (MB version) to 3.1.3 after it had been disabled for 21,050,182 minutes. That's right, 21,050,182 minutes!

    How foolish of me!

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  39. Well it's April 2, ipad is released tomorrow, and I'm one of the idiots who upgraded to 3.1.3 (mb 05.12.01 br :6.4) I really hope you release the JB tomorrow but understand if you don't.

    but good luck and keep up the good work!

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  40. well today the iPad is released & im wondering if whatever you are releasing is going to jailbreak my iPod touch 3.1.3 3G?

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  41. So war is tuntethered jb the ipad is out so war is yuor ward release ittttt

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  43. Wai pipule donate you for you can bay the ipad and you
    say wan the ipad is release you release the jb so war the jb you fuck war for wat wii donate to you you bitch

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  44. there is no sense giving abuse to the guy, like that is really going to help things!! from what i can make out from various twitter pages, they are waiting on the release of the ipad 3g, which is available late april! please have patience, i am in the same boat, bought an iphone new and it came with the latest firmware but as i say, if you keep giving abuse, they will either delay longer or not release at all!!!!

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  45. Wii donate mony for greenpoison release they jb wan the ipad is out so naw is wan the 3gipad wat the fuck

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  46. no one said green poison would be released when the ipad was released, people just expected it to be! from what i recall, there has never been a release date and there still isnt. just be patient and it will come

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  47. I'm sure the joy I will have the day I will jailbreak my 3.1.3 3gs will make donate a big sum

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  48. "less thAn", not "less then".

    Back to school, you...

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  49. He has nothing to release, even the video like Geohot or Comex. I dont know why ppl donated to him? He's now f**king around with the iPad that ppl hand-out to him to find out how to fool ppl again. Dont delete this post if you're still a man.

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  50. i cant wait for this to be released just to show all of you haters!!! people have no patience at all, if you think its that easy, why not do it yourself?? they are all waiting untill the new firmware and ipad 3gs comes out so that apple cannot get around the jailbreak straight away, that way, it will stop all of you moaning again that you accidentaly upgraded by mistake, and you would have to wait however long for a new jailbreak!!!! get a grip and have some patience

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  53. i wish there was a way that they could stop certain people getting the jailbreak because dror10 would be screwed haha

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  54. is the release sooner or later?
    just wondering, it would put us at ease, but if you dont reply thats fine too

    is Greenpoison going to have an expert mode like pwnage tool and have options like custom boot logo and recovery logo with verbose mode?

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  55. btw people like dror10 and Anthony are complete @$$holes

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  56. also i saw in the picture your on linux
    will that be the starting platform to run it on or will you port it onto os x and 7?
    btw, did you get ubuntu 10.04? its really great

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  57. I think the work you do is amazing, The Chip In has ended, is there somewhere else that we can donate?

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  58. @p0sixninja:
    You are a good guy and you've been doing this for a while free of charge. Please release the jb for 3gs 3.1.3 new boot rom please...

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  59. Nicholai mitchko you can suck mi you fuck you and posixshit

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  60. @Nicholai "shit"chko : Go ahead to suck posixshit's dick and he will gives you the tool to JB your mouth and your dick too.

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  61. How can I make a contribution? I didn't upgrade my iphone to 3.1.2 but have had the great fortune of being able to use several of your products in the past. I'd love to contribute to the 3.1.3 unlock project as I know how it feels to be in the position of not having a phone b/c of a learning curve. LOL

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  62. hi am alwys stocked with my iPhone 3gs 3.1.3/05.12.01. baseband am in africa i can't use it anymore any help pls?u can email me cicm.senegal@gmail.com...i need it very badly coz my files are inside...pls help

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  63. Me buying an iphone 4 solely depends on u people..so all the best...

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  64. Hello,

    How are you doing every buddy.
    I want to ask you about the Jell Broken for IPhone 4g.

    when you expect it is will be ready ?

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  65. dude im scared my mom took away my ipod for a month and she gave it back to me tofday n it wont start or turn on, all it does is show the apple sign and it says connect to itunes, and wen i do i have to update n wen the update is over it says unable to restore, dude in scared right now please help me
    (oh yea i jail broke it with green poison)
    PLZ HELP!

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